tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7231438970934023581.post6360703378807943343..comments2017-07-10T17:28:45.534-07:00Comments on Johannes Paulus II: JPII, Francis, and Jesuit reformUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7231438970934023581.post-75977137055387939272017-01-18T12:07:12.544-08:002017-01-18T12:07:12.544-08:00Equivocator https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/han...Equivocator https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/13548428/Equivocation%20and%20the%20Legal%20Conflict%20Over%20Religious%20Identity%20In%20Early%20Modern%20England.pdf?sequence=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7231438970934023581.post-17730139850474977822013-12-11T05:24:17.653-08:002013-12-11T05:24:17.653-08:00Saint1106 says:
11 December 2013 at 5:31 am
Most...Saint1106 says: <br />11 December 2013 at 5:31 am <br />Most are missing the point. Pope Francis is a Peronist. There are two strands, one a left-wing Marxist one, which he is not. The other is a populist one, based on Peron-type policies of big government, taxing the rich, but respecting private property, and very respectful of the Catholic Church and its moral/social teaching. Our Pope’s favorite book is La Comunidad Organizada, by Peron himself, but likely by ex-Jesuit Benitez, who was Eva Person’s spiritual director and ghost writer.<br />To understand a person’s ideas, one has to understand the context of that person’s formation. He grew up in the hey day of the Peronist years. When FDR-type policies really did deliver and change the standard of living for much of Argentina. Commentators here are trying to put in into the left/right spectrum of U.S. politics. This is a not the way to understand his ideas.<br /><br />Saint11106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7231438970934023581.post-29383136284656369262013-09-05T10:48:59.510-07:002013-09-05T10:48:59.510-07:00And again,
J_Cathelineau says:
5 September 2013 ...And again,<br /> J_Cathelineau says: <br />5 September 2013 at 12:36 pm <br />McCall1981 says:<br />“@ J_Cathelineau (or anyone else that knows)<br />Would you mind explaining what a “Peronista” is, in this context?”<br /><br />In this context, is someone keen to “popular” expressions of faith and huge public demonstrations. Someone that relies on the support of people to strenght his political assessments. Take what is happening now about Syria: Just think that a Benedict letter would not have had the same effect than the declarations of Francis. Because, for the world, now the Pope counts in a political meaning, since “people” is with him.<br />Im just describing, not saying that I agree. And Im just talking about politics, and a fine politician he is. <br /><br />Then, about Liturgy, I think (personal opinion) that he is not against the Tridentine Mass, but he doesnt like THE KIND OF PEOPLE that attend to it. Here in Argentina, we are seem like a ghetto, a very small group of extreme right, anti-semitic fascists. That is rooted in our local history, and would be too long to explain. And as I said, he doesnt like (at all) elites, or segregated groups.<br />Personal opinion again: I think that he would not meddle with the Mass if he perceive that in the world traditionalists are not a small angry bunch, but a dynamic force of faithfull. That is what a peronist is, in this context.<br />On the other hand, the danger is not that he forbids the Mass but that he may would like to change something in the rite, to make it a bit more “popular”. Lets pray for that never happens.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7231438970934023581.post-85026576402989789882013-09-05T08:46:20.558-07:002013-09-05T08:46:20.558-07:00from www.wdtprs.com
J_Cathelineau says:
4 Septemb...from www.wdtprs.com<br />J_Cathelineau says: <br />4 September 2013 at 11:00 pm <br />Im argentine. From Buenos Aires. Let me say something, and may God help me to put it right in english.<br />before start: Im not a peronist.<br />Bergoglio was never close to Liberation Theology, but he is something very dificult to understand to an angle-saxon mind because he is a peronist, and peronismo was the way to be anti-marxist in Argentina from 1945 to 1973. Something between spanish Gen. Franco and Nasser. From 1973 to present times peronismo is just a mess, impossible to understand to anybody, even to us, argentines.<br />Said that, Bergoglio is quite old school peronist. He is quite populist (at this point everybody knows that), in the sense that he doesnt like elites (nor intellectual left, nor traditional right). He doesnt like aristocracy, maybe because he is a son of immigrants, and old families in Buenos Aires can be snobbish (the fight between that groups explain the raise of peronism quite well). Maybe that is why he doesnt like traditional forms.<br />He likes poor people, and the priests that work in the slums had his protection. These priests fight against marxists parties and drug dealers. Their work is beyond judgment, its true that they sometimes dont respect some forms, but they live among the extremely poor. I have visited them there and i know what im talking about. Their work is outstanding, but its another dimension. As I said, beyond judgment. I saw them baptizing, caring old people, saving drug addicts, teaching them to work and helping the young for decent jobs. All the streets in the neighbourhood have name of Saints, and chappels flourished around. Dealers wanted to kill them.<br /><br />The problem, maybe, is that not everybody is argentine, or latin-american, or lives in a slum, surrounded by killers, or needs initial basic cathechism, so maybe its not too fair that we are all treated the same. Are Catholics in Japan (think about forms, PLEASE!), in Europe, North America….not everything is the same. Catholic identity doesnt mean latin-american-poverty catholic identity. I dont know if im clear.<br />But forget it, he is not a Liberation Theologist. In fact Liberation Theologists always hated him: he is an old school peronist. <br /><br />Maybe a good book about Peron (and Argentina) is “Peron”, by Joseph Page (with some warnings)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7231438970934023581.post-14412054454280397362013-08-28T07:18:17.964-07:002013-08-28T07:18:17.964-07:00Amazingly, JPII visited Buenos Aries in 1987 for W...Amazingly, JPII visited Buenos Aries in 1987 for WYD!<br />Here's his letter on it:<br />http://wydcentral.org/un-nuevo-sol-jmj-buenos-aires-1987/<br /><br />He calls for a 'new evangelization' even then!<br /><br />The theme was, "And so we know and rely on the Love of God" (1 Jn 4:16)JorgeMarionoreply@blogger.com